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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://designinganmba.com/2010/01/19/etsy-and-the-culture-of-cheap/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to hobbyists being the cause of the cheapening of etsy, I think that is unfair.  I am one of those &#039;hobbyist&#039; sellers but I still want to make money at my craft, and set my prices accordingly.  I have done fairly well and giving myself a few extra dollars a month to take care of some bills, and I am by no means cheapening etsy.

I think you have full time and part time sellers who dont know what the market will bear, and dont think about their pricing with total operational costs in mind.

Additionally, you have sites like Heartsy that condition the buyer to get their handmade only when it is on sale (and usually at a loss to the seller who &#039;is just trying to get their name out there by doing it).

And you have the ebay and walmart conditioning as well.

It is a number of factors, not the part-time/hobbyist seller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to hobbyists being the cause of the cheapening of etsy, I think that is unfair.  I am one of those &#8216;hobbyist&#8217; sellers but I still want to make money at my craft, and set my prices accordingly.  I have done fairly well and giving myself a few extra dollars a month to take care of some bills, and I am by no means cheapening etsy.</p>
<p>I think you have full time and part time sellers who dont know what the market will bear, and dont think about their pricing with total operational costs in mind.</p>
<p>Additionally, you have sites like Heartsy that condition the buyer to get their handmade only when it is on sale (and usually at a loss to the seller who &#8216;is just trying to get their name out there by doing it).</p>
<p>And you have the ebay and walmart conditioning as well.</p>
<p>It is a number of factors, not the part-time/hobbyist seller.</p>
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		<title>By: AlikiBags</title>
		<link>http://designinganmba.com/2010/01/19/etsy-and-the-culture-of-cheap/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>AlikiBags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 21:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Meaghan,
Your comment might seem like lightyears ago now but I still want to thank you for making it...straight from the heart and to the point !
I am a very slow and naive newcomer to all this lark and I must admit that I have been deep down resenting the fact that Etsy seems to expect us artists/makers to work for less than nothing just because we do not carry the cache of a big name. We are the &#039;local&#039; worldwide sweatshops now.
Etsy - as an umbrella organisation - does not make enough effort to make clear to the buyers clicking idly on to the site are getting an utterly unique bespoke service with their item.
Kiki xxx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Meaghan,<br />
Your comment might seem like lightyears ago now but I still want to thank you for making it&#8230;straight from the heart and to the point !<br />
I am a very slow and naive newcomer to all this lark and I must admit that I have been deep down resenting the fact that Etsy seems to expect us artists/makers to work for less than nothing just because we do not carry the cache of a big name. We are the &#8216;local&#8217; worldwide sweatshops now.<br />
Etsy &#8211; as an umbrella organisation &#8211; does not make enough effort to make clear to the buyers clicking idly on to the site are getting an utterly unique bespoke service with their item.<br />
Kiki xxx</p>
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		<title>By: sasha</title>
		<link>http://designinganmba.com/2010/01/19/etsy-and-the-culture-of-cheap/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>sasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 12:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who has a vintage Etsy shop and works on it part-time and prices her items on the low average side of things (the average cost of something in my shop is probably $20-30), I agree with some of the things being said here. Yes, there is an art and quality inherent in many higher end, for Etsy, items in both the handmade and vintage categories. I do acknowledge and realize, as a buyer, that for the most part, the pricier items are generally nicer. In other words, you usually pay for what you get on Etsy. That being said, great photography, a cool image and lots of press don&#039;t always equal a great or quality product, as I&#039;ve also realized buying on Etsy.

On the other hand, I want to support artisans and vintage sellers like myself and I try to, but as a 20-something freelancer, I simply can&#039;t afford to do it all the time. Like someone else said, I buy a mix of Target (don&#039;t do Wal-Mart), vintage, handmade, and also designer/mall stuff for a lot of my belongings. I have to pick and choose where I want to spend my money and most young people shop this way. The only way I generally spend more then $25 on Etsy is if the shop&#039;s presentation is super nice, the seller is responsive, they have good reviews and most importantly, I LOVE the item and have to have it. I&#039;ve been disappointed with so many vintage and handmade purchases from Etsy and honestly don&#039;t want to invest in something I may not like or may not fit in person. I factor all of this in when pricing my own garments. I think it helps to have been a buyer on etsy first before being a seller in this way. I make an effort to keep my prices in the moderate range because my customers tend to be girls like myself who aren&#039;t going to be buying a really expensive couture vintage gown. I make sure to keep my overhead low and if I see something I like at a thrift/garage sale but feel I won&#039;t make a profit on it, I simply don&#039;t buy it thereby keeping my costs down. Basically, I don&#039;t think the customer is the problem or that they don&#039;t appreciate handmade or unique things. I think consumers are generally intelligent and they have to pick and choose what to spend on, if a handmade headband is not it, so be it.

What many people don&#039;t realize is that creative does not mean business savvy. You can have the most lovely handmade pottery in the world but if it&#039;s not something people want and will pay for, it&#039;s not going to sell. There&#039;s a fine line between valuing your work and not being smart and honest about your business, in my opinion. It doesn&#039;t matter how much you value your own work when it comes to the bottom line. People have to love your product and be willing to shell out for it. The most successful sellers on Etsy, that I&#039;ve seen, have a variety of price points in their shops and have consciously made an effort to do so. They make a lower priced version of one of their more expensive items with different materials for example to make sales and not exclude or alienate buyers. This is not pandering to the masses. It&#039;s being smart about remaining competitive and relevant in the marketplace. It&#039;s also a means to be able to afford to make their higher end items. There will always be a market for both and that&#039;s fine.

I know about 3-4 ladies around my age who&#039;ve started Etsy shops and closed them because of lack of sales. With the exception of one who is a vintage seller like myself, the others were simply charging too much for items that people are not willing to pay for. In an ideal world, every cool girl is willing to shell out $150 for a snood but most aren&#039;t going to. And the ones who are are probably not going to do it on Etsy with a not very established seller when there are a million other shops that sell the same stuff, do it better or charge less. That sounds harsh but it&#039;s true. Vintage is a bit different because most things are unique by nature, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has a vintage Etsy shop and works on it part-time and prices her items on the low average side of things (the average cost of something in my shop is probably $20-30), I agree with some of the things being said here. Yes, there is an art and quality inherent in many higher end, for Etsy, items in both the handmade and vintage categories. I do acknowledge and realize, as a buyer, that for the most part, the pricier items are generally nicer. In other words, you usually pay for what you get on Etsy. That being said, great photography, a cool image and lots of press don&#8217;t always equal a great or quality product, as I&#8217;ve also realized buying on Etsy.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I want to support artisans and vintage sellers like myself and I try to, but as a 20-something freelancer, I simply can&#8217;t afford to do it all the time. Like someone else said, I buy a mix of Target (don&#8217;t do Wal-Mart), vintage, handmade, and also designer/mall stuff for a lot of my belongings. I have to pick and choose where I want to spend my money and most young people shop this way. The only way I generally spend more then $25 on Etsy is if the shop&#8217;s presentation is super nice, the seller is responsive, they have good reviews and most importantly, I LOVE the item and have to have it. I&#8217;ve been disappointed with so many vintage and handmade purchases from Etsy and honestly don&#8217;t want to invest in something I may not like or may not fit in person. I factor all of this in when pricing my own garments. I think it helps to have been a buyer on etsy first before being a seller in this way. I make an effort to keep my prices in the moderate range because my customers tend to be girls like myself who aren&#8217;t going to be buying a really expensive couture vintage gown. I make sure to keep my overhead low and if I see something I like at a thrift/garage sale but feel I won&#8217;t make a profit on it, I simply don&#8217;t buy it thereby keeping my costs down. Basically, I don&#8217;t think the customer is the problem or that they don&#8217;t appreciate handmade or unique things. I think consumers are generally intelligent and they have to pick and choose what to spend on, if a handmade headband is not it, so be it.</p>
<p>What many people don&#8217;t realize is that creative does not mean business savvy. You can have the most lovely handmade pottery in the world but if it&#8217;s not something people want and will pay for, it&#8217;s not going to sell. There&#8217;s a fine line between valuing your work and not being smart and honest about your business, in my opinion. It doesn&#8217;t matter how much you value your own work when it comes to the bottom line. People have to love your product and be willing to shell out for it. The most successful sellers on Etsy, that I&#8217;ve seen, have a variety of price points in their shops and have consciously made an effort to do so. They make a lower priced version of one of their more expensive items with different materials for example to make sales and not exclude or alienate buyers. This is not pandering to the masses. It&#8217;s being smart about remaining competitive and relevant in the marketplace. It&#8217;s also a means to be able to afford to make their higher end items. There will always be a market for both and that&#8217;s fine.</p>
<p>I know about 3-4 ladies around my age who&#8217;ve started Etsy shops and closed them because of lack of sales. With the exception of one who is a vintage seller like myself, the others were simply charging too much for items that people are not willing to pay for. In an ideal world, every cool girl is willing to shell out $150 for a snood but most aren&#8217;t going to. And the ones who are are probably not going to do it on Etsy with a not very established seller when there are a million other shops that sell the same stuff, do it better or charge less. That sounds harsh but it&#8217;s true. Vintage is a bit different because most things are unique by nature, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: brittany</title>
		<link>http://designinganmba.com/2010/01/19/etsy-and-the-culture-of-cheap/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>brittany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 00:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow I never really looked at it like that before. the whole &quot;hollister/banana republic&quot; argument. So HOW do we promote that handmade is better?

I keep raising my prices in hopes of good return. I think some people think the more it costs, the &#039;better&#039; it must be. Even if they know nothing about the product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow I never really looked at it like that before. the whole &#8220;hollister/banana republic&#8221; argument. So HOW do we promote that handmade is better?</p>
<p>I keep raising my prices in hopes of good return. I think some people think the more it costs, the &#8216;better&#8217; it must be. Even if they know nothing about the product.</p>
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		<title>By: Sayra Adams</title>
		<link>http://designinganmba.com/2010/01/19/etsy-and-the-culture-of-cheap/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>Sayra Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 23:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is where good value &amp; innovation step in. You have to delineate yourself from the pack. I sell yarn &amp; fiber batts on Etsy, so do many others. I could stand to raise my prices.....but in all practicality my overhead is very low. My house is paid for, and I really enjoy what I do.

The number one thing that takes the most time is photographing,editing,and listing product. The actual making of takes far less time. I hope that my customers see great stuff, well presented at a good value. They must, as I get repeat sales from a wide range of people.

This is an excellent article, that nails a valid point! I love it....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is where good value &amp; innovation step in. You have to delineate yourself from the pack. I sell yarn &amp; fiber batts on Etsy, so do many others. I could stand to raise my prices&#8230;..but in all practicality my overhead is very low. My house is paid for, and I really enjoy what I do.</p>
<p>The number one thing that takes the most time is photographing,editing,and listing product. The actual making of takes far less time. I hope that my customers see great stuff, well presented at a good value. They must, as I get repeat sales from a wide range of people.</p>
<p>This is an excellent article, that nails a valid point! I love it&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebekah</title>
		<link>http://designinganmba.com/2010/01/19/etsy-and-the-culture-of-cheap/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebekah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the basis of this discussion, started last year, I bought and read &#039;Cheap&#039;. OMG, what a book!!!! It has CHANGED the way my little family and I live - from basics like purchasing groceries, to who I hire for legal/accounting/IT services etc.
Thanks so much for bringing this discussion to everybody, and for recommending this literally life-changing book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the basis of this discussion, started last year, I bought and read &#8216;Cheap&#8217;. OMG, what a book!!!! It has CHANGED the way my little family and I live &#8211; from basics like purchasing groceries, to who I hire for legal/accounting/IT services etc.<br />
Thanks so much for bringing this discussion to everybody, and for recommending this literally life-changing book.</p>
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		<title>By: Indie Fixx / The Great Pricing Debate</title>
		<link>http://designinganmba.com/2010/01/19/etsy-and-the-culture-of-cheap/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Indie Fixx / The Great Pricing Debate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over at Crafting an MBA, shares similar tips as Design Sponge in terms of pricing, and expresses her thoughts on the culture of pricing on Etsy and what it means to the sellers. It seems as if handmade pricing is at the tip of everyone’s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] over at Crafting an MBA, shares similar tips as Design Sponge in terms of pricing, and expresses her thoughts on the culture of pricing on Etsy and what it means to the sellers. It seems as if handmade pricing is at the tip of everyone’s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa, ReFind Fashions</title>
		<link>http://designinganmba.com/2010/01/19/etsy-and-the-culture-of-cheap/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa, ReFind Fashions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion!  Thanks to everyone who has contributed, and especially to Patti, for so eloquently summing it up:  &quot;i don’t compete with them on price….and they don’t compete with me on quality.&quot;  I may have to make this into a plaque for the wall of my studio.

I&#039;m on the verge of opening an etsy shop to sell upcycled clothing and such, and have been giving a lot of thought to how to price my work.  In addition to the value of my time, creativity, and expertise, I have to deal with the challenge of the cost of my source materials, basically second-hand, recycled clothing.

&#039;Recycled&#039; doesn&#039;t necessarily mean free, or even cheap, and I wonder how to convey the actual cost of using them (buying, washing, disassembly, etc.) as a part of my final asking price.

I have to believe that I will find those customers out there who understand this, and who feel it&#039;s worth it to make the &quot;greener&quot; choice.

Best wishes to all for a happy and prosperous 2011!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion!  Thanks to everyone who has contributed, and especially to Patti, for so eloquently summing it up:  &#8220;i don’t compete with them on price….and they don’t compete with me on quality.&#8221;  I may have to make this into a plaque for the wall of my studio.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m on the verge of opening an etsy shop to sell upcycled clothing and such, and have been giving a lot of thought to how to price my work.  In addition to the value of my time, creativity, and expertise, I have to deal with the challenge of the cost of my source materials, basically second-hand, recycled clothing.</p>
<p>&#8216;Recycled&#8217; doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean free, or even cheap, and I wonder how to convey the actual cost of using them (buying, washing, disassembly, etc.) as a part of my final asking price.</p>
<p>I have to believe that I will find those customers out there who understand this, and who feel it&#8217;s worth it to make the &#8220;greener&#8221; choice.</p>
<p>Best wishes to all for a happy and prosperous 2011!</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
		<link>http://designinganmba.com/2010/01/19/etsy-and-the-culture-of-cheap/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a list of sites that help you promote your crafts.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6675261

I hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a list of sites that help you promote your crafts.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6675261" rel="nofollow">http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6675261</a></p>
<p>I hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I&#039;m wondering what is considered cheap and what isn&#039;t. I&#039;m not rich I&#039;m a pretty poor post-college person. I spend a lot of money on clothing but I spend it on quality clothing. I love clothing made animal fibers. I love silks, wool, cashmere, organic cotton, bamboo. I&#039;ve recently started buying all of my clothing vintage or handmade. My wardrobe is now mostly vintage and a few handmade items here and there. The average price for most things in my closet is between $30-$60 with the exception of shoes because my feet can&#039;t tolerate vintage non-sandal shoes. Is this cheap?

I think when it comes to buying things a balance should be stuck between price and ethics.People should buy things that they like and that are ethically produced. I don&#039;t think buying a handmade or a vintage shirt that costs $500 dollars is a good way to spend money. Since the chances are I could probably make the item myself or find something similar for a much cheaper price and donate the difference to a much worthier cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I&#8217;m wondering what is considered cheap and what isn&#8217;t. I&#8217;m not rich I&#8217;m a pretty poor post-college person. I spend a lot of money on clothing but I spend it on quality clothing. I love clothing made animal fibers. I love silks, wool, cashmere, organic cotton, bamboo. I&#8217;ve recently started buying all of my clothing vintage or handmade. My wardrobe is now mostly vintage and a few handmade items here and there. The average price for most things in my closet is between $30-$60 with the exception of shoes because my feet can&#8217;t tolerate vintage non-sandal shoes. Is this cheap?</p>
<p>I think when it comes to buying things a balance should be stuck between price and ethics.People should buy things that they like and that are ethically produced. I don&#8217;t think buying a handmade or a vintage shirt that costs $500 dollars is a good way to spend money. Since the chances are I could probably make the item myself or find something similar for a much cheaper price and donate the difference to a much worthier cause.</p>
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